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Info-Atari16 Digest Wednesday, August 23, 1989 Volume 89 : Issue 408
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
Atari loyalty....How long can it last...
Re: X windows
Re: Multitasking on the ST
Re: MODEDIT FILE(S)
Re: Apathy and Defeatism
Re: QUESTION ABOUT SEAGATE HARD DRIVE/SUBSTN
MMU's and ST's
Re: Multitasking on the ST
Replies to some NET questions
Re: New Atari 68030 Machines
Re: Multitasking on the ST
Re: X windows
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Date: 16 Aug 89 20:38:00 EDT
From: "Chuck Rickard; (PC)" <chuck@umbc2.umbc.edu>
Subject: Atari loyalty....How long can it last...
To: "info-atari16" <info-atari16@score.stanford.edu>
I have been with Atari for years and years and years, but we all seem to start
our messages off like that. I hate to say this, but being a proud Atari owner
(we always seem to say that alot also...), I really worried about its future.
I really look forward to the new products that they are coming out with, but
just wonder if they will support them. Notice that I say "WILL" instead of
"CAN". I just wonder how long they expect us to put up with service like they
dish out, and its not forced upon them, it's by choice!
A good friend of mine is an Atari Dealer. He sells Ataris because he likes
the machine, but the company is driving him crazy. One time he had a Mega
3.5 drive that went bad while it was still in warrantee. According to Atari's
policy, you must call and get a return authorization number for the drive, but
this was almost impossible. Every time he called the person was either out to
lunch, in a meeting, or on vacation. For two weeks he called only to get the
same responses over and over. He finally ripped the drive apart and tried
to fix it himself, and he didn't even have a repair manual for the drive!
He got it working after a few hours, but with no help from Atari. Next, a
person from Atari calls about bill payment which is all in order, but the guy
on the other end is totally confused because he is new! The latest thing is a
real killer! He has been calling his dealer rep for a week now trying to get
some stuff, and now finds out that the guy was either fired or moved and the
account is now being handled by a dealer rep group of some kind. Atari never
even told him of the new situation or the new number!
Now I ask you, is it right for Atari to treat their people this way%r i? Every
body seems to be getting fired at Atari, and nothing seems to be getting done!
Cindy is gone and then its Chris. Dealer reps are gone,%r and the rep group
is probably soon to follow. Who knows whats going to happen next!
Now you wonder whe%rther this is _ Atari's ignorance or do they don't care!
Please reply. Tell me what you think. I won't get any responses from Atari.
They don't care.
Chuck Rickard
UMBC Academic Computing
CHUCK@UMBC
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Date: 16 Aug 89 00:08:00 GMT
From:
mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!davi
d.megginson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (DAVID MEGGINSON)
Subject: Re: X windows
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
As far as I know, there is no XWindows. There is a simple program
called Unix Windows, which allows you to run several tasks on a remote
Unix machine in different GEM windows.
Atari has mentioned that they might include X-Windows in the
long-promised but unlikely-ever-to-be-seen 68030 machine. Perhaps
that's where you heard it.
---
* Via ProDoor 3.0R
------------------------------
Date: 16 Aug 89 00:12:00 GMT
From:
gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!u
tzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.megginson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(DAVID MEGGINSON)
Subject: Re: Multitasking on the ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
I did not realise that ST Minix had removed the 64k restriction. How
can it handle a program that uses, say, 2 megs of data and 200k of code?
I might be interested.
Can you use UUCP with it? Does it allow a scheduler in the background?
Sorry to put this here, but I have no access to Unix, so I can't get at
any Minix groups.
---
* Via ProDoor 3.0R
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Date: 16 Aug 89 00:05:00 GMT
From:
gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!u
tzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.megginson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
(DAVID MEGGINSON)
Subject: Re: MODEDIT FILE(S)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
The documentation clearly states that there is no editor supplied with
the system. Instead, you must take your favorite (GEM-based) editing
program and rename it to EDITOR.PRG, then put it in the same directory
as the M2 GEM shell. Unfortunately, it says all of this in German.
The German M2 is terrific, especially its high-level GEM functions.
Send me some email at my Bitnet address (not here) if you have any more
problems.
MEGGIN@VM.EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (David Megginson, Toronto, CANADA)
---
* Via ProDoor 3.0R
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Date: 16 Aug 89 11:13:07 GMT
From:
cs.utexas.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!mailrus!sharkey!mcf!teemc!ka3ovk!lake@tut.cis.oh
io-state.edu (Marshall Lake)
Subject: Re: Apathy and Defeatism
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <1559@ns.network.com> logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) writes:
>Xorg@cup.portal.com (Peter Ted Szymonik) writes:
>> Atari's strategy HAS also worked by the way - financially the company is
>> very strong and solid and 400 on the Fortune 500 list - far from an
>> easy achievement for a compnay that appeared a mere four years ago!
>
>Atari is also number 91 as far as all US companies involved in electronic
>equipment manufacture (not just computers!) Atari is a relatively large
>(net income wise) company.
>
>--
>- John M. Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 -
>- logajan@ns.network.com / ...rutgers!umn-cs!ns!logajan / john@logajan.mn.org -
Aren't these statistics more than a year old? I had thought they weren't
true any longer.
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Date: 17 Aug 89 01:36:10 GMT
From: tahoe!wheeler!mikew@apple.com (Mike Whitbeck)
Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT SEAGATE HARD DRIVE/SUBSTN
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
I would very much like to hear about the 138N 30Mbyte Seagate
~~~~
hard drive. I recently ordered an Atari Megafile 30 from ST-Plus
(aka Zephyr Microsystems). After a month - still no drive
(it was shipped but must have been lost by UPS, we'll ship
another right away, oh well that one was the last and it was
sold over the counter - sorry when we restock we'll rush one to
you PRIORITY!, oh, er uh- we decided not to restock (meanwhile
my VISA bill comes with the charge on it!), we'll refund your
money less 20% (over $100!!), - you (the buyer) are responsible
if you don't get the drive you ordered, UPS MAY make YOU pay for
the lost drive....) *
After much wasted time and desperate for a hard drive I let
the owner(?) talk me into a 138N in a ICD box and a ??(BMS?)
controller. WELL AM I GONNA REGTET THIS?
Please let me know if you have good or bad things to say about
~~~~~~
the 138N, I gather I should be carefull about the rom serial
numbers but what numbers should I look for or look-out for?
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* for the record I have purchased two color ST's and lots of
software from these guy's and this is the my only really bad
experience. At no time was any mention evermade of a return or
restocking charge (on my first order they told me that I would
get a full refund or prompt replacement/repair of damaged goods
and this claim was honored on my first ST which arrived with a
dead monitor). New owners? Bad day for the boss? Karma? It
appears this outit does business under different rules now.
* also for the record I called UPS and they said I could trace
the original shipment myself IF I could get zephyr-ST/Plus'
shipper no. BUT in NO CASE would UPS hold the receiver
accountable for a lost/stolen/misdelivered order. Furthermore
the SHIPPER chooses if hand delivery to a persononly or leave on
doorstep is OK option BUT IN ANY CASE THE SHIPPER IS ALSO
PROTECTED FROM LOSS- UPS WILL PAY THEM FOR THE LOST ITEM.
So in no instance would Zeph/Plus be out any money.
As for the trace, I have not yet received the shipper no. for
Zephyr/ST-Plus but a quick check under both names show no
shipments made. I'll let you good folk know how this melodrama
resolves itself.
mikew@wheeler.UUCP | mikew@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu
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Date: 17 Aug 89 00:09:19 GMT
From: hp-sdd!ncr-sd!tw-rnd!johnl@hplabs.hp.com (John Lindwall)
Subject: MMU's and ST's
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <1075@philmds.UUCP> leo@philmds.UUCP (Leo de Wit) writes:
>.. what I meant was that a
>non-multitasking machine like the ST can benefit from process
>protection too.
Agreed.
>If you want to do something
>special, OK become root and then do your stuff (very careful), then go
>back being a normal user.
OK.
>| [I, John Lindwall, said]
>|So I assume (if you were using a multi-tasking system) that you would prefer
>|NOT to have process protection? I do not see the logic in this.
>
>No, what I meant was that I would prefer to have memory protection in
>both cases. I don't see a reason why it should be more important in the
>multitasking case. You can have lots of vulnerable processes in the
>other case as well.
Agreed.
>...IMHO the most important use for VM is not protection, not paging
>in additional memory when needed, but ... the processes being position-
>independent! Try to implement the UNIX fork() call, you know what I mean
>
Good point.
Now that we've hashed this subject out a bit I see that we seem to be in
mutual agreement! I've really enjoyed the exchange, but I don't see any
further areas to discuss. I've benefited by hearing your views, and I'm
sure others have as well. Thank you.
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John Lindwall johnl@tw-rnd.SanDiego.NCR.COM
"Above opinions are my own, not my employer's"
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
--
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John Lindwall johnl@tw-rnd.SanDiego.NCR.COM
"Above opinions are my own, not my employer's"
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
------------------------------
Date: 16 Aug 89 17:37:00 GMT
From: unsvax!jimi!otto!rex@uunet.uu.net (Rex Jolliff)
Subject: Re: Multitasking on the ST
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In a precious article, I write:
It would be real nice to have, especially for
software developers. This kind of personal computer really doesn't
need it though. I seem to crash each computer equally as often when
writing code for them. It takes longer to reboot the Amiga though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In reply, johnl@tw-rnd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (John Lindwall) writes:
>Try using the Amiga warm-bootable ramdisk,
I admit this will help alot. Except when the machine crashes so hard
that it won't warmboot off the raddrive.
>or a hard drive :).
I wasn't being fair my Atari has a hard drive, the Amiga does not. But,
when I didn't have a hard drive for the ST, it still beat the amiga on
cold boots.
>Do Atari ST's have a bootable ramdisk, or even a ramdisk whose contents
>survive a warm boot?
Yes. There are at least two or three. I haven't had a need for a ramdisk
for a while now though, so I don't remember the names of any. as for warm
booting the ram drive, I never thought about doing that.
>John Lindwall johnl@tw-rnd.SanDiego.NCR.COM
--
Rex Jolliff (rex@otto.lvsun.com,